In the same way, he sprinkled also the tabernacle and all the vessels of worship with blood. It’s all part of the times. No one can lay a foundation other than the one that is there, namely, Jesus Christ. Certainly the confusion that these translators promote is intended to water down and scatter the truth of the scripture. The Sectarian Bias of the New International Versio... John 1:1-18 in Abner Kneeland's New Testament (1823). In the first we have an interpretation of The angels words that differ from those found in other translations, and as a consequence,must be refered to the teaching authority of the Church to be resolved. Scriptural scholars for 2 centuries have developed several hypotheses regarding the 2 genealogies through 2 different sons of David and Bathsheba, including Levirate marriage, but inserting the prophet Nathan into Our Lord’s genealogy is certainly the most creative twist ever. Zu den von der ABS herausgegebenen Bibelübersetzungen gehören unter anderem die Good News Translation und … The teaching of this verse implies the teaching of Christian tradition on purgatory. “better Greek translators are not authoritative for individual reading of the Bible”, “Why does the solution always have to be to get a better translation?”. EX 12:22 Now comes the news that a revised version is being issued March 9. I believe that the beast is Rome and verse 16 refers to the destruction of Jerusalem by Rome in 70 A.D. Theirs was a pragmatic approach. OT: Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia with Septuagint and Dead Sea Scrolls influence. l7. Plus, the note on purgatory just doesn’t need to be there. If one know Catholic theology well, these authors are marvelous to use. If … any man’s … work … be burned … suffer loss … he … but … saved … also … as … by … fire. Then,in verse l6 of the same chapter, we hear that the beast “will hate the harlot….and consume her with fire.”What happened here? All Marian titles, in fact, have as it were budded and blossomed from that first name with which the heavenly messenger addressed the Virgin: “Hail, full of grace” (Lk 1: 28). We address the Virgin Mary several times a day with these words of the Archangel Gabriel It is one thing, when cast into prison, not to go out thence until one has paid the uttermost farthing; another thing to instantly receive the reward of faith and courage. new american bible. I can definitely profess that Purgatory is real. If the writers of the footnote acknowledge the Church has made its’ doctrine of purgatory explicit on the basis this verse, how can they say that the verse does not “directly” refer to purgatory? Such a salvation is possible, writes Paul, but only “as through fire.”. As St. Augustine notes, “Intercourse even with one’s legitimate wife is unlawful and wicked where the conception of the offspring is prevented. “Full of grace”, Mary is “the most excellent fruit of redemption” (SC 103): from the first instant of her conception, she was totally preserved from the stain of original sin and she remained pure from all personal sin throughout her life. People need to be exposed more deeply, in our sunday sermons and through catechesis, to the Church’s history and traditions. If we apply them both to this Bible we can see clearly that the hierarchy of the United States are now in a state of open heresy. New American Bible Old English Bibles on DVDrom (AV1611, Tyndale, Mat... J. Harold Greenlee on the Definite Article at John... Martin Dibelius' Translation of John 1:1-18. 4.6 out of 5 stars 245. I have grown accustomed to this translation over the years and do not wish merely to denigrate the it. Welcome to the Catholic church! Kindle $9.99 $ 9. I have paperback copies. It helps us to distinguish truth from falsehood. One can never say enough to please such a textual critic. Dear Brothers and Sisters, (Commentary on 1 Cor 3 in the Enchiridion, 69). Thank you for bringing it to our attention. The footnote in the current NAB denies that it is a reference to purgatory. Especially given its widspread promulgation, Ok. The Christology of The Shepherd Of Hermas, Doctrinal Problems with "only-begotten God". “When the Fathers and writers of the Church meditated on the fact that the most Blessed Virgin was, in the name and by order of God himself, proclaimed full of grace by the Angel Gabriel when he announced her most sublime dignity of Mother of God, they thought that this singular and solemn salutation, never heard before, showed that the Mother of God is the seat of all divine graces and is adorned with all gifts of the Holy Spirit”. one! We have talked before here about some concerns in regard to the New American Bible. Why do you think the only way to read the Bible is to read it in Greek? In the EF, the Douay Rheims is just fine. εἴ τινος τὸ ἔργον κατακαήσεται, ζημιωθήσεται, αὐτὸς δὲ σωθήσεται, οὕτως δὲ ὡς διὰ πυρός. The Contradiction of the Trinity Doctrine. There’s the Didache Bible, with footnotes largely taken from the Catechism. The repition of three times seems to be symbolic. The Problem with the New American Standard Bible. LEV 1:11 Not to be confused with the New American Standard Bible, the New American Bible (NAB) is a Catholic Bible translation first published in 1970. I actually had a priest in the ADW, when I offered to teach Greek for free, laugh incredulously and offer no further response. Much thanks, The footnotes to the NAB – yuck. By the way, I use some of your articles for my Sunday class. Warning to the Rich. I think this happens because the commentators do not want to face this for themselves. Great post. … @J: As for reading the Bible – lots of us read the Bible but can’t learn Greek. This is why I don’t use the Catholic Study Bible (NAB translation). Lord help us and protect us from these errors. But, again, Purgatory is a Dogma, a revealed truth of the Church, and is consequently devinitively held as a revealed truth by all Catholics. LEV 4:6 And this we believe in every way to be true.”[29] And, in a sermon which he delivered on the sacred day of the Blessed Virgin Mary’s annunciation, explained the words “Hail, full of grace”-words used by the angel who addressed her-the Universal Doctor, comparing the Blessed Virgin with Eve, stated clearly and incisively that she was exempted from the fourfold curse that had been laid upon Eve. Origen observes that no such title had ever been given to a human being, and that it is unparalleled in all of Sacred Scripture (cf. ), Hi Martin, we are just crossing wires. For those familiar with bibles, it's the soft, buttery/almost foamy leather rather than the textured imitation leather most bibles have. 99. First the content. HEB Chapter 9 highly favored one! Surely you realize that you’re obviously contradicting me just for the sake of contradicting me, because you can see that I’m responding to the problem of translations misleading someone. 9 Take the anointing oil and anoint the Dwelling and everything in it, consecrating it and all its furnishings, so that it will be sacred. Yes this too is egregious but at least they acknowledge that the Church uses this text. This is unfortunatle, because I believe it undermines our faith’s foundation. Prayer and Conduct. My two cents worth. (Sent. For me it is a source of great joy to preside at this concelebration with the new Cardinals after yesterday’s Consistory, and I consider it providential that it should take place on the liturgical Solemnity of the Annunciation of the Lord and under the sunshine that the Lord gives us. It was possible to use the RSV CE in the liturgy until recently. What changed so drastically in the 45 years from 1941 to 1986 to basically do a 180 on this explanatory note? Yes, it there a good study edition edition with decent footnotes. My “favorite” footnote is the one in Genesis that tells us definitively that the Flood didn’t really happen…it was simply a story ripped from the Gilgamesh epic. Great job guys. There is also a modern tendency to imprecision in language. New American Standard Bible (NASB) Bible Book List. The footnote in the NAB is similar to that found in the New Jerusalem Bible. >>>I am currently using the wonderful Ignatius Study Bible (RSV-CE) with just couldn’t resist targeting and contradicting me, could you? The answer, says the Messenger, is contained in the very words of the greeting: “Hail, full of grace” (cf. WEB: 28 And coming to her, he said, “Hail, favored http://www.happycatholic.org/CompareBibleTranslations.html, The sin of Onan (Genesis 38) gets the footnote: “Preserve your brother’s line: literally “raise up seed for your brother.” The ancient Israelites regarded as very important their law of levirate, or “brother-in-law” marriage; see notes on Deut 25:5; Ruth 2:20. In the Incarnation of the Son of God, in fact, we recognize the origins of the Church. Yes, I think your inisights are largely correct here. You can read more of this rather serious problem here: NAB and Porneia. 256.The living Faithful can come to the assistance of the Souls in Purgatory by their intercessions (suffrages). ………….. Well….you have asked for WAY more than many have time to deliver. Mit der YouVersion Bibel App kannst du lesen, sehen, hören und teilen auf deinem Smartphone oder Tablet, und online auf Bible.com. And 6:63–was *probably* not a reference to the Eucharistic body of Jesus??? I’ve never read or even seen a copy of the later. EX 24:8 In light of verse 13, the footnote is correct that the subject matter does not “envisage” Purgatory per se being that the context of this purgation is Judgment Day but it would have been better if it explained this more fully. But at the end of the paragraph the author of the column stated, “However, because this legend is so late, the truthfulness of the story is doubtful, as are the traditional names of Mary’s parents.”. The OT is not yet complete. εἴ … τινος … τὸ … ἔργον κατακαήσεται, … ζημιωθήσεται, … αὐτὸς … δὲ … σωθήσεται, … οὕτως … δὲ … ὡς … διὰ … πυρός. . Also in reference to the sprinkling of blood on the altar, on the people, on the instruments…. Strange for a Catholic Bible. Thanks for this reference to the study Bible. It’s a kind of family squabble if you will. None of the things I see in the NAB are flat-out heretical statements, and with a serious exercise in charity one may put orthodox interpretations on them. Hmmm….Some of these things are so subtle…like the footnotes in John 6, that unless a person was familiar with the Presbyterian interpretation of the Eucharist, it would slide right by them. There are many ways down through the ages that the Fathers of the Church and other authoritative teachers, as well as modern day apologists, see in this text a possible reference to purgatory. I am just not a fan of the NAB. ============= Apparently St. Thomas Aquinas Never got the memo either for he too sees purgatorial fire as one understanding of 1 Cor 3:15, We must therefore say that the very venial sins that insinuate themselves into those who have a care for earthly things, are designated by wood, hay, and stubble. Solemnity of the Annunciation of the Lord Providentially the Lord provides the Catechism of the Catholic Church which is the bible interpreted for our lives in each age. 1 Come now, you rich, weep and wail over your impending miseries. 491 Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, “full of grace” through God,134 was redeemed from the moment of her conception. favoured one! Many, many people are kept from the Catholic Church because they believe that the great, wicked, city, the mother of harlots, is Rome. Wansbrough poses this serious question: If Jesus was so explicit with this beforehand, why are the apostles so resistant to his arrest in the garden? Just because an idea is not as developed in the source, doesn’t mean it’s not there. And we wonder why Catholics leave the church…. Strange Medicine and the Gaze that Saves: A Meditation on the Triumph of the Cross, http://www.happycatholic.org/CatholicBibleGallery/pages/04_NAB.html, http://www.happycatholic.org/CompareBibleTranslations.html, http://liturgyanddevotion.blogspot.com/2010/10/i-am-mother-of-fair-love.html, From Trials to Transfiguration – A Homily for the Second Sunday of Lent. The only argument I can find in favor of the miserable NAB is that of Augustine somewhere in his Confessions, where he notes that at first he was dismayed by the lack of rhetorical magnificence in the Christian scriptures, but he humbled himself and submitted to them, and within them found riches. among women. It is a shame that this kind of flawed information was approved in the first place. Apostolic Constitution issued by Pope Pius IX on December 8, 1854 But this is an old post and I don’t have time to take on all the issues. Perhaps it would be timely for you to have a go at the RNAB note for Hebrews 11:1. That’s the only thing that keeps me going through the readings in my NAB missal. You might as well be one of those who think the King James Version (1611) of the Bible is the only approved translation for the English speaking people (eye roll here). I was (and still am) *shocked* and scandalized (in the true sense of the term) by the NAB footnotes. Ephesians 5 New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE) Chapter 5. HOMILY OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI I also have a problem with NAB’s comment on Matt 16:16-20 which states in part: “Considering the unresolved dispute among the Twelve as to who was the greatest…, it is possible that this prophecy as a whole was made by the risen Christ…..” That makes no sense to me (to put it in acceptable language)! Msgr., That’s quite a boat rocker in the dogmatic world of scholarship, so that’s a plus. A Homily for the First Sunday of Lent. It merely means that purgation will somehow occur “on the spot,” as it were, for those who live to see the Parousia on Judgment Day itself. Get it as soon as Wed, Feb 24. We should always take every footnote with a grain of salt regardless of which version we use. FOR THE CREATION OF NEW CARDINALS The Lord is with you….. It gets off to a bad start as early as Genesis 1:2, where the translators’ “preferred reading” is “mighty wind” rather than “Spirit of God”. Published by the Lockman Foundation, the first NASB text—a translation of the Gospel of John—was released in 1960. I’m glad you raised this issue for discussion! If I had to choose, I would learn to read the Vulgate in Latin, rather than the New Testament in Greek. The New American Standard Version Exposed! I bought the Harper Catholic Bible of the New American Bible: Revised Edition (NABRE) over the St. Joseph Edition of the NABRE, even though I own the St. Joseph Edition of the original NAB. I grew up a faithful Christian, but drifted away, and looking back, it was in part because of the constant undercurrent drumbeat of “I doubt, this doesn’t really mean, scholars really think”, etc., etc. 28 And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored And because it is said, “he shall be saved,” little is thought of that fire. It is plainly talking about Jerusalem and resembles Rev. This is purely a personal observation/opinion, but the NAB, like the RSV, the NIV and the other “versions” are actually based on Luther et al’s corrections of God’s homework with “Catholic Stuff” stuck back in. The New American Bible (NAB) is a Bible translation first published in 1970. In my own mind, the young person who reads this might start wondering about the truthfulness of other accounts related to Church history. . The fact that the English language is not Catholic provides a tool for which they can achieve their end. HOMILY OF JOHN PAUL II Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ, So 1 Corinthians 3:15 gives no support to the “notion” of Purgatory? It only proves purgation as a means of salvation for some, and the Church has never taught that this verse says anything else (surely nothing along the lines of this being a “proof text” or description of Purgatory itself). The Lord is with you….. 28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou Well worth the price! The column was very interesting, mentioning Mary’s parents, Joachim and Ann, the fact that they were childless, and the angel’s promise that they would conceive. Of more interest, how did we go from “The teaching of this verse implies the teaching of Christian tradition on purgatory.” in 1941, to “The text of 1 Cor 3:15 has sometimes been used to support the notion of purgatory, though it does not envisage this.” in 1986? I suggest reading all the same passages in the DRB. And if one doesn’t mind and ecumenical edition of the Bible the New Interperter’s Study Bible is a very interesting version with 50/50 orthodoxy in theological notes but (for a heavily Protestant edition thought here were Catholics involved in it) it streatment of John 6 and Eucharist is a breath of fresh ecumencial air. Prayer for Help in Trouble. The New American Standard Bible update (1995) carried on the NASB tradition of being a true Bible translation, revealing what the original manuscripts actually say—not merely what the translator believes they mean. Christ is my navigator and I don’t care if it rains or freezes even if you have a plastic Jesus riding on the dashboard of your car. Font Size. The notes on authorship are far superior in the new Ignatius RSV-CE Catholic NT Study Bible. Only 1 left in stock (more on the way). The bottom line is, I think people are not taking the established tradition of the Church seriously be it with regard to Purgatory, or Mary’s parents. WEB: 28 And he came to her and said, `Greetings, don’t try to explain a fairly complex scholarly conclusion on a passage with a sentence. I prefer the RSV-CE because it reads better, flows better and is accepted by the church. These great Bibles reinforce Catholic teaching, they don’t question it. If you’re going to reference the scriptures and catholic doctrine in this area, you should really not completely ignore the notion of development here. Brad, I followed the link you posted, although I fail to understand your emphasis, “Regarding purgatory as dogma (DOGMA!!! Now it is strange, to say the least, that a Catholic Bible would so categorically set aside any reference to purgatory  in this verse. The initiated understand what is said. Do you have any knowledge of who translated the work? (1) Neither a nihil obstat or imprimatur are infallible. by Harper Bibles | Jun 12, 2012. Scott Hahn is now working from the beginning on Genesis, due out at the end of October. Apparently the Catechism of the Catholic Church never got the memo from the NAB either for it too uses 1 Cor 3:15 as a reference to purgatory: The tradition of the Church by reference to certain texts of Scripture speaks of a cleansing fire (cf 1 Cor 3:15; 1 Pet 1:7)  (CCC # 1031). New American Standard Bible. Why does the solution always have to be to get a better translation? Another quick comment–not on NAB but on modernism in translations; I have the original Jerusalem Bible. The Lord is with you….. Wouldn’t the Apostles know who Mary’s parents were, and the writers of the Gospels? Blessed are . The author is limiting his horizon to the sacrificial cult, which did always involve the shedding of blood for its expiatory and unitive value. Purgatory begins when you don’t awaken and you find yourself trapped in the nightmares, subconscious guilt and desirous mind trips because your physically dead and at the mercy of God and damnable actions and thoughts you contrived in carnality. Therefore the sacrifices preceded, because of this blood. that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed Both editions have identical explanatory notes for verses at the bottom of each page and the same introductions of section and each book, all written by the translation team. We have discussed before some concerns about the New American Bible (NAB) and how it vaguely translates the Greek word  πορνείᾳ (porneia)  which specifically refers to sexual immorality, but which the NAB translates only as “immorality.” Of course immorality could mean just about anything. [art] thou among women;’. Yeah. Upon receiving my first NAB and reading it I felt the language stilted and seemed to go out of it’s way to change words just so it would not sound or flow out of the mouth smoothly like the other bibles I mentioned. >>>notes by Scott Hahn for my Bible study. If this were true it would infer the errors were intentional. 8. expository essay death of a salesman what is leadership gun violence all quiet on the western front vietnam war honesty great gatsby interpretive slaves dreams racism life interview argumentative. For instance, much is made about Matthew 16 and the statement that basically says the passion predictions probably don’t go back to Jesus himself. Its funny, even as physical evidence for the flood mounts some of the aging biblical scholars hold fast to positions like this. Previously I used the Navarre I was informed many years ago by a very wise old priest who advised me to compare all written material with what has been published prior to 1958. For example, it holds to the priority of Matthew as the solution to the Synoptic problem. New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE) Bible Book List. “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!” (Lk 1: 28). There is even some fuzziness in the new catechism that can be used against the traditional Catholic position, such as the statement that the Church was founded on Peter’s faith. Looking at the Greek text really doesn’t change anything. By giving their seal of approval to this blatant distortion they are both implicitly and explicitly denying a Dogma of the Faith viz, Purgatory. It’s not expressing the scripture has an error here. Neuhaus had his say on the NAB and its mutation. I think not. When God called Mary “full of grace” the hope of salvation for the human race was enkindled: a daughter of our people found grace in the Lord’s eyes, he chose her as Mother of the Redeemer. The Bible text itself, which has undergone several revisions since the original New American Bible (NAB) was first published in 1970, is okay, although it does in many areas reflect Catholic dogma (mainly from the paragraph headers). new american bible Essay Examples. A Psalm of David. I think it should be revised again before I would use it as my first choice. I wanted a simple bible I could carry for devotional and study purposes, and this one is perfect. I cannot WAIT to show this to the my Bible study group…we have been using this translation (NAB) for over 9 years of Bible Study! The study notes in the Navarre Bibles are excellent as well. communis.) I don’t recall Christ and the apostles disagreeing over scripture. 1 Timothy 2 New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE) III. I understand that different interpretations can and have been put on this verse, but please let Catholic Bibles show deference to the teachings and scholarship of the fathers and doctors of the Church. *Probably*–you think? Yes there certainly is a hyper critical attitude evident in footnotes like these. The American Standard Version, which was also known as The American Revision of 1901, is rooted in the work begun in 1870 to revise the King James Bible of 1611. Santa Maria di Leuca That’s also not to defend all the editorial decisions in the NAB notes. . And those Catholics who attend the OF Mass are forced to hear it, and read it in those pew missals. Even in the comment where they cite the supposed absence of the tabernacle(Exodus 40:9-11) it is there, but they mistranslate it as a Dwelling with a capital D. I was thinking For the music director. Those who would betray the church are one twelfth, correct? 1. 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It is a matter that may be inquired into, and either ascertained or left doubtful, whether some believers shall pass through a kind of purgatorial fire, and in proportion as they have loved with more or less devotion the goods that perish, be less or more quickly delivered from it. It puts this footnote in the primary position, which means to me that the Catholic position weighed heavily on the translator. Small wonder, therefore, if Holy Writ bears witness that the Divine Majesty regards with greatest detestation this horrible crime and at times has punished it with death. When, during the Middle Ages, scholastic theology was especially flourishing, St. Albert the Great who, to establish this teaching, had gathered together many proofs from Sacred Scripture, from the statements of older writers, and finally from the liturgy and from what is known as theological reasoning, concluded in this way: “From these proofs and authorities and from many others, it is manifest that the most blessed Mother of God has been assumed above the choirs of angels. If anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw,  the work of each will come to light, for the Day will disclose it. Try reading the KJV aloud – not only does it sound good, it even *feels* good to pronounce those words and rhythms. That seems sensible to me. I also have collections of books by reputable biblical authors even from non-Catholics whose views are much more compatible with the Tradition such as NT Wright and (the late) William Barclay. l7 to Ezekiel chapter l6. I shall never keep a copy of this book in my house. It is also true that some scholars (especially Protestants) have differing opinions. But to exclude the “notion” of purgatory and to say that the text does not “envisage” it is simply to contradict long Catholic understanding and teaching that does include purgatory in the understanding of this text. Let’s look at the text and then the footnote. That’s what the footnote is getting at, all interpretations aside. I am currently using the wonderful Ignatius Study Bible (RSV-CE) with notes by Scott Hahn for my Bible study. I still use the Bible because overall the footnotes are so useful, but especially in the Gospels, I just cringe sometimes. ei … tis … ho … ergon … katakaio … zemioo … autos … de … sozo … houto … de … hos … dia … pur. I agree with you, brother!